ShareSoc Seminar – Ideagen, Zegona, LoopUp and Anexo

Some brief notes on the ShareSoc Seminar I attended yesterday (10/7/2019). There were four companies presenting:

Ideagen (IDEA): This company has presented many times before to ShareSoc members and those who invested after the first such event will have done very well indeed (I hold the stock). This time we had CEO Ben Dorks presenting rather than Exec Chairman David Hornsby and Ben did a good job explaining their buy and build strategy for this software company. They now have 4,700 customers including many big names and 7 out of 10 UK audit firms – not that this seems to have solved most of the poor audit quality I commented on in a previous blog post probably because box ticking does not help when “judgmental” issues and failing to challenge management seem to be the big problems there.

Organic growth might be slightly reduced this year due to transition to an SAAS model but they plan to add £30 million in revenue from acquisitions. There were some interesting comments on how they integrate acquisitions – they “ideagenise” the companies, the people and the products!

A question arose concerning the apparent low return on capital of this company (as reported by Stockopedia et al). I have looked at this in the past and the key is to look at the cash flows and return on cash invested, as David Hornsby suggested.

Zegona (ZEG). This is an investment company that is investing in European telecoms operators where they think there are opportunities for consolidation. In essence a “buy, fix and sell” strategy. Their main investment at present is in Spanish company Euskaltel.

The financial ratios may look attractive but I doubt I can keep track of European telecoms operators and their regulatory environment so this looks like a “special situation” to me that is for the experts in this area only.

LoopUp (LOOP). This company provides teleconferencing services. I hold a very few shares in this company whose value has halved after a recent profit warning related to forecast sales revenue falling. It was therefore particularly disappointing that the Co-CEO who was due to present did not appear due to sickness. Instead we have Gareth Evans from Progressive Digital Media who provide research reports on the company. He covered the business well and he mentioned they use LoopUp themselves.

Recent problems allegedly relate to the slow build-up of new “pods” (sales teams), diversion of experienced sales staff into training and “general economic factors”. But I thought the general economy was doing well so I doubt that the latter is a good explanation.

One thing not mentioned in this presentation was the announcement on the same day that SFM UK Management (a subsidiary of Soros Fund Management) had acquired over 8% of the company so someone still has faith in it.

Progressive did supply their latest analysis of the company that shows forecast adjusted eps of 6.2p for this year and 8.5p next year which makes them not expensive on a p/e basis. I think this is one to monitor to see if there is no more bad news in which case it may be an opportunity to acquire a business with many positive characteristics.

But the share price fell again this morning. But that’s just following the trend in small cap technology stocks over the last few days – Ideagen included. That’s after a good positive run in such companies in the last few weeks. Small cap stocks are suddenly out of favour it seems and that’s nothing to do with Brexit as companies such as LoopUp and Ideagen will not be affected in any way and actually might benefit from the falling pound that has resulted from nervousness over Brexit.

Anexo (ANX). This is an interesting company that I had not come across before. It provides litigation and courtesy cars to impecunious drivers who have no-fault accidents. The company maintains a stock of vehicles to provide as courtesy cars but that includes a large number of Mercedes cars so not all their customers can be impecunious.

They mainly get their business from introductions from small vehicle repair shops, and claim a success rate of 98.5% in recovering from insurers. The latter consistently ignore claims until they are taken to court and just before a court hearing.

The management spoke well in their presentation and clearly have ambitions to grow the business substantially – they claim only 2% market share at present. But they do have to fund the cost of vehicle provision and legal costs before a claim is settled.

The business may be at risk of changes to the law on what can be recouped from third parties but it certainly deserves closer examination.

Just one general comment on the event. It is disappointing that several of the powerpoint presentations were poor. Too many words on them in too small a font and with not enough graphics to make the points they are trying to get across. This seems to be a common failing in small cap company presentations. The slides should support what the speaker is saying with a few key messages, not distract from the spoken words.

Roger Lawson (Twitter: https://twitter.com/RogerWLawson )

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Lloyds Case Impressions, Ideagen AGM and Return on Capital

Yesterday I attended the Annual General Meeting of Ideagen (IDEA) at 12.00 noon in the City of London – see below – and afterwards spent an hour in the High Court listening to one of the witnesses being cross-examined in the Lloyds Banking Group case. What follows is just an impression of the scene because the whole case is running for months so in no way can this be considered a comprehensive report. I have covered some more details of the case in previous articles, but to remind you the litigants are suing Lloyds and the former directors of the company over the takeover of HBOS which they declare was contrary to their interests as shareholders in Lloyds TSB. Lloyds deny liability.

The case is being heard in the Rolls Building in New Fetter Lane – a modern building very different to the ultra Victorian main Courts of Justice building in the Strand. See this link for a video tour of the building: https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-court/high-court/the-rolls-building/virtual-tour/

The witness being cross-examined on the day was Tim Tookey, the former Finance Director of Lloyds TSB. Richard Hill QC was undertaking the task for the litigants under the eyes of a single judge, Mr Justice Norris (sans wig). It was a pretty impressive scene with at least 6 barristers in wigs and gowns plus about another 10 supporting legal staff. Why do barristers still wear wigs? To quote from the web: “The courts didn’t officially add wigs to the legal dress code until the 18th century when they became culturally chic. … They continue to wear them because nobody has ever told them to stop”.

It was a pretty impressive scene, somewhat lost on the few members of the public present – half a dozen litigants and members of the press. But the court was digitally up to date with every desk holding a screen on which the written evidence was displayed as it was invoked. However the witness being cross examined still referred to a paper copy, extracted from 150 large A4 binders stored in shelves on the left hand side of the court – filling almost the whole wall.

Mr Tookey gave his responses to questions firmly and without emotion. A confident witness giving clear answers. He was questioned about the events leading up to the announcement of the acquisition of HBOS and over how much capital Lloyds anticipated would be required to ensure the deal was “bullet-proof” (i.e. not creating unacceptable risks if the economic circumstances worsened). He was questioned about the extent the risks had been considered and whether enough due diligence on HBOS had been done before the decision was taken to proceed. Apparently it came down to a decision at 4.00 am on a Monday morning to proceed. They we being forced to decide to proceed or not by the Government before the markets opened on Monday. But he said that he thought all the risks had been considered and the board was supportive of the deal because of the strategic advantages of the HBOS takeover in the longer term. Recapitalisation involving the Government was necessary because there was no way it was possible to raise even £3 billion (underwritten) by the Monday, which was the minimum requirement. Government involvement “de-risked” the deal. The case continues….. for another dozen weeks.

One can see from the above exactly why the costs of such cases are so enormous.

Ideagen AGM

Ideagen (IDEA) is a software company in the Governance, Risk and Compliance sector. I have held the shares for some years when it has grown revenue and profits considerably, both from acquisitions and organic growth. They have a strong emphasis on the importance of recurring revenue. They are presenting at the ShareSoc Seminar on the 8th November, although that event is fully booked I understand.

There were fewer sharesholders at the Ideagen AGM than members of the public at the Lloyds hearing, but that’s not exceptional for small companies. But it was still a useful event – a brief report follows.

One question I raised was about return on capital. Now you might think this was prompted by an interesting article on that subject by Leon Boros in the latest ShareSoc Newsletter, but I did not get around to reading that until later in the day so it’s somewhat of a coincidence. Leon compared the return on capital at Bioventix (one of his favourite stocks which he likes to talk about regularly), and YouGov. He pointed out that not only are measures such as Return on Equity (ROE), Return on Capital Employed (ROCE) and Return on Assets (ROA) better at Bioventix calculated on the headline numbers, but that those for YouGov are somewhat doubtful because they capitalise and amortise the cost of recruitment of their survey panels. Plus they capitalise and amortise software development costs. But they then produce adjusted earnings figures that excluded the amortisation of both those costs, effectively pretending they are not real costs. He has a point.

Now I always look at returns on capital when I am investing in new companies because I consider it one of the most important measures of a company’s performance – as I told the directors of Ideagen. Hence at the Ideagen AGM I asked a question on that subject. On page 18 of their Annual Report they give the “Key Performance Indicators”, 9 of them, that the directors use to monitor the performance of the company. They all look good, but none of them measure return on capital. Should they not include a return on capital measure?

In reality the headline figures for ROE, ROCE and ROA reported by Stockopedia for Ideagen are all less than 2%, and that ignores even the large number of shares under option that the company has that would dilute the earnings. The reason for this is partly the fact that the profit measures used are “unadjusted” and as the company has very substantial amortisation of goodwill from past acquisations, and £1.2 million of share-based payment charges, these distort the numbers. The CEO David Hornsby, responded with “what measure would I like to use?” to which I responded that I did not mind so long as it was consistent from year-to-year. Companies often publish such figures, which are frequently based on “adjusted” profits. I also suggested cash return on assets might be a good measure, something I also look at.

The company actually generated Net Cash From Operating Activities of £8.3m last year which on Net Assets of £30m at the start of the year is very respectable, although technically one should probably write back the cost of past acquisitions that have been written off. In addition some of the cash generated was spent on contingent consideration on past acquistions and on “development costs” which they class as “investing activities”. This demonstrates that for some businesses, looking at headline return on capital figures or those reported by financial web sites can be misleading. One needs to look at the detail to get a real understanding on what is going on in such a business.

A short debate on the issue followed. Otherwise after a couple of other questions, the CEO mentioned the half year for the company ends today, and shareholders should be very pleased with the results.

In summary, a short AGM meeting, but a useful one. And the ShareSoc newsletter is well worth reading – it even includes some articles from me.

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